On Sunday
evening, while playing a card game with my 11-year old on the floor of our
family room, I noticed an odd bulge on the big toe nail of my right foot. In
between playing my losing cards, I felt the bulge and then tried to scrape at
it with my finger.
Nothing.
My toenail
was covered in several layers of polish and, at first, I assumed that perhaps
that was the culprit. When I moved my fingernail under the bulge, the toenail
lifted up. Completely detached from the left side of my nailbed.
No trauma.
No fungus. My toenail just popped off.
I’ve never
just touched the bottom of my toenail and had it pop off. Ever.
I run.
Sometimes I run long distances and I’ve definitely had toenails turn purple
after marathons. I lost a fingernail once after slamming my own hand
(accidentally!) in the front door. Again, this involved discoloration and what
I would term as big arse trauma.
After
announcing to the household that my toenail had just popped off the nailbed and
simultaneously losing the card game, I turned to the only Dr. I can call on at 8:30pm
on a Sunday: Dr. Google.
A search for
“Detached Toenail Tamoxifen” brought me only more questions.
However, a
search for “Tamoxifen Nail Issues” brought me here:
The following treatments for breast cancer can cause nail changes:
·
chemotherapy:
·
tamoxifen, a hormonal
therapy
Tamoxifen
causes nail changes? Really?!? This was not in my prescription’s “Black Box
Warning.” This was nowhere in the conversations I had with my oncologist when
she placed me on the drug and then saw me every three months for check-ups.
Finding the
above information brought a sigh of relief just as it brought a bit of despair.
- Sigh of Relief: At least I knew what was going on.
- Bit of Despair: Nine more years of Tamoxifen. Nine more years of the side effects I’ve already experienced and nine more years of discovering new ones. On my own.
One husband
hug, a big "that sucks" and a tear and a half later, I’d resolved myself to “Well, this is the deal
and at least it’s not cancer.” (Yes, everything now gets triaged in this way.)
I thanked
Dr. Google and emailed my own new-to-me* oncologist with the latest goings on.
Just under 24 hours later I received this response:
Dear Stacey,
It was very nice meeting you the other day. Totally normal to feel the way you do about changing oncologist.
Now, the nail problem you are having is not so common with Tamoxifen. I see it all the time with chemotherapy but not so with Tamoxifen. I think the same advise goes for chemotherapy or non-chemotherapy induced nail changes.
Make sure you keep the cuticles moist and clean. Trim the nail short. Also, of note, tamoxifen in premenopausal may cause osteoporosis instead of helping it, so calcium/and vitamin D supplementation may help.
I recommend 1500mg of calcium and 2000 units of vitamin D daily.
Hope this helps.
{My New Oncologist}
It was very nice meeting you the other day. Totally normal to feel the way you do about changing oncologist.
Now, the nail problem you are having is not so common with Tamoxifen. I see it all the time with chemotherapy but not so with Tamoxifen. I think the same advise goes for chemotherapy or non-chemotherapy induced nail changes.
Make sure you keep the cuticles moist and clean. Trim the nail short. Also, of note, tamoxifen in premenopausal may cause osteoporosis instead of helping it, so calcium/and vitamin D supplementation may help.
I recommend 1500mg of calcium and 2000 units of vitamin D daily.
Hope this helps.
{My New Oncologist}
Hearing that
my Tamoxifen Toe was “not so common” alarmed me a bit. I don’t necessarily want
to be an outlier in the side effect space.
On Wednesday
morning, I met a friend for coffee. She
was diagnosed with breast cancer just months before I was. I told her
about my ‘new side effect’ and she gasped, “You are NOT serious?!?”
I laughed
and said, “Yep. Totally.” I assumed her gasp was of concern and maybe a little grossed-out-ed-ness
but when tears welled up in her eyes, I knew something else was afoot.
“I lost one
three months ago. And I’m losing another,” she said. After much discussion she
announced, “I just thought I was getting old.” This woman is in her 40s and it made me sad to think she had chalked it up to old age and not told anyone.
Wednesday
evening I brought my Girl Scouts to a leader meeting to share their hard work
over the previous year and met up with another mom who was diagnosed three and
a half months after I was. Since she is on Tamoxifen, I told her about
Tamoxifen Toe. Again, a gasp.
And again, a
gasp because she has lost one too.
In the
scheme of things, losing a toenail is party cake compared to losing a breast,
losing some lymph nodes and especially to losing your peace of mind. But, in the
scheme of things, knowing about possible side effects before they happen is
pretty darn important.
I’m not angry
with my oncologist. She didn’t put me off and I believe that she gave me sound
advice when she heard what was going on. But I am frustrated about the lack of
communication on the issue.
Patient
advocacy is a two way street. As patients, as the ones experiencing the side
effects (or what may be side effects!) we need to share. With our doctors, with
our fellow patients, with our caregivers who advocate for us in so many ways.
Speaking of fellow
advocates: I posted last night the fact
I had met a third person with Tamoxifen Toe. In my short 140 character tweet, I
mentioned, “She lost one too.” Only after Liza (@itsthebunk) and Suzanne (@AskDrSuzanne)
immediately responded did I realize that, if you hadn’t followed the saga since
Sunday, I appeared to imply we were losing toes. Not so. Toenails. My sincere apologies
for the drama and my undying gratitude for the support!**
So here it
is: Have you lost a toenail while on Tamoxifen? PLEASE let me know in the
comments section***. I’d like to bring this information to my oncologist and
others – let’s give them at least some anecdotal data – so they can share. A
longer term benefit would be figuring out WHY toenails fall off and what we can
do to reduce our risk. A much longer term benefit would be to supply this
information back to the field of research and see if we might be able to
engineer some changes!
Anger drains
my energy. There is absolutely no point in my being angry about the side
effects but there is definitely a point in helping other patients know what may
happen with their bodies BEFORE it happens.
* Dr. J, my
oncologist left earlier this year to have her second child and move her
practice closer to her home. I chose my new oncologist based on Dr. J’s
recommendation and the recommendation of several women in my support group.
** Also HUGE thanks to @leahleahleah @luluchange14 @bccww who gave me tips and tricks which have also been passed along!
***Please let
other Tamoxifen users know. And PLEASE let your doctors know.
Stacey - Third times a charm right - maybe this one will actually post. I met a breast cancer pt while my Mom was going through her lung cancer treatments. This woman also lost her toe nails and finger nails (multiples of both, I believe). Shocking! I had never heard of that side effect. ~ Amy
ReplyDeleteThank you for the comment Amy (and for trying a few times to get it posted!). Yes, there are many side effects that, while not often discussed, seem to be quite common. Reading your comment, I am really hoping your mom's treatment was wildly successful and that she is doing well. ~S
DeleteI've been on Tamoxifen 8 years. And for a year or two, I've been experiencing worsening shooting pains in my toes and feet, mostly at night. It seems that magnesium helps with that and with cramps in my feet and legs. I just asked my oncologist today (who answers all my questions in detail and is very knowledgeable about current research). And she didn't seem to have heard of this. Now, I sure wish I'd had her LOOK at my toes because just now, when I took off my shoes (and they're comfy flats) one of my big toes is black under the nail! aaaa scary! We just decided to switch me to an aromatase inhibitor as I seem finally to be in menopause. I hope that the toes issue will resolve.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing Ruthie and I hope your issues have resolved. If you do ever encounter a side effect that hasn't been noted in the existing materials related to your drug, you can also self-report to the FDA via MedWatch: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/medwatch/index.cfm?action=reporting.home
DeleteI have been on tamoxifen year and half. Lost both my big toenails 2 weeks ago. One right after other.
ReplyDelete{hug} That sucks.
DeleteShould there be another persuasive post you can share next time, I’ll be surely waiting for it.
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ReplyDeleteSame here. On tamoxifen for 2 1/2 years now. Just lost 1 toenail. A second is suspicious
ReplyDeleteBeen on Tamoxifen for 1 year...Just lost a toenail. It started out lifting on one side, turned black and is now gone..Same toe on the opposite foot (little toe next to my big toe) is lifting and is turning black.
ReplyDeleteLooking up Tamoxifen and toe nails lead me here. I'm not sure what to do about it. I guess let my doctor know.
I am so glad that I found your post. I have been on Tamoxifen for 5 years now. I have lost my big toe nails 3 times each. I thought I was finally through it, but alas. Recently my right toe big toe nail began to lift. It is also now infected. I lost all of my fingernails and toenails during chemo, and as miserable as that was, I knew that it was temporary. However, here I am five years later, another toenail on its way out. I am sorry for all of you, but it is good to know that I am not alone.
ReplyDeleteJust lost a toenail and was panicking- been on Tamoxifen for 18 months- feel relieved to know it has happened to others- thanks for putting it out there!
ReplyDeleteI fortunately have not lost any nails... but I do have spoon nails on the three middle toes on both feet... and some slight none noticeable spooning on my finger nails... obviously was worse things in life... I've been on Tamoxifen for four years... I am thankful to be here... but it definitely is not an easy drug... my med onc prescribed me a pediatric dose of effexor to help me with the side affects of T... it helps me tremendously... the spoon nails are just ... well. There.
ReplyDeleteDouble breast cancer in 2017...45 yrs....stages 2 & 1....no chemo, only Tamoxifen since Jan 2018. Normal 45 yr old with no health or chronic issues. At 48, 3 years of taxo....endometrium growth, had histerectomy. Now at 50 yrs...140 lbs.....4 years taxo...just got 2 toenails turn black for no reason. Not subtle or light grey, blue then black, no, from 1 day to the next, all of the sudden, black. Does not get worse, stays the same color. 3 weeks later, 1 toenail is falling off. Gino requested bone density test. Taxo causes a type of "pre-osteoporosis" called ostopenia. May or may not turn into osteoporosis. Happens especially in pre-menopausal younger women with breast cancer. Also have due to taxo: Malasia which is dark spot on cheek, vision issues having to use 2.5 reader glasses due to crystals that form in eyes due to Taxo....anemia...high triglicerides & high blood pressure...all related to taxo use.....seems like all secondary effects of taxo use have or are happening. I have 3 more years to go taking taxo. Hope this helps!
ReplyDeleteI've been on Tamoxifen for about 18 months. Two months ago one of my middle toenails just popped off...no warning, no pain. Many years ago I lost toenails to running and trauma but this seems different. Now both big toenails are discoloring, no pain. I've seen PCP and dermatologist and they've ruled out fungus. I mentioned to my oncologist and she said she's never heard of this side effect. I was so grateful to come across your blog. I'm not nuts 😊
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